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May 28, 2009

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--Deb

Oh, it's been ages since I read the Hobbit, and I've never read it out loud! I can see why it would be challenging (though I think LOTR would be WORSE).

I don't know if Tolkein tried to stick to Scandinavian pronunciations for some of his more Scandinavian-sounding names (like Thorin), but if so, the "Th" is usually pronounced "T." I've always thought of that character's name as "Torin," just because!

Jeanne

Well, Deb, I didn't know it at the time I first read "The Hobbit", of course, but in Appendix E of "The Lord of the Rings" Tolkien explains that "TH represents the voiceless th of English in thin cloth", all the while maintaining his charming conceit of "translations from the ancient scripts" and "speakers of Westron" and such.

Many, perhaps most, of the Tolkien fansites continue the fiction that the languages are "real" and thus don't bother to explore Tolkien's inspirations, but there is an interesting article I just found here -- http://www.langmaker.com/ml0108.htm -- that talks more about the invention of the languages.

I just hope that Professor Tolkien would be pleased at how fascinating it is to discuss word origins and etymologies and all the nuances of pronunciation of the languages he took such delight in inventing!

Cecilia

And why not Thray-een?

Jeanne

Why not indeed, Cecilia?! Good point.

Tolkien is surprisingly silent on vowel combinations in Westron. The same appendix at the back of "The Return of the King" gives single-vowel pronunciation for Sindarin and Quenya, and dipthongs for Quenya, but nothing for Westron. My guess, though, is that if he meant Dáin, Thráin, etc. to be dissyllabic, he would have spelled it something like "aï" (with an umlaut over the "i"). Certainly if one wants to make an argument for consistency, Óin should then be one syllable!

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  • "If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world." -- J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Hobbit" (1937)

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